My god, it isn't, where are people getting that from? The previous submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48407499) from the very same author got it wrong both times?
Microsoft themselves call it "Purpose-Built for Azure", why cannot the other Microsoft/Windows salesmen also call it that instead of "general purpose server and container distribution"?
Purpose built for azure probably means integration with azure meta data APIs and kernel specific tweaks for the hardware.
It could also be general purpose for what you can run on it.
Basically it's a curated distro. Not complicated or anything different from what AWS and GCE are doing.
Yeah of course, it's a Linux distribution. But feels like a marketing push when multiple people suddenly go "oh yeah Microsoft building a general purpose Linux distribution" when that's not what's happening. So what if it isn't general purpose and built purposefully for Azure? It doesn't remove anything, just being more accurate with how it's being marketed.
Agreed, that's why it doesn't make sense to call this "general purpose", since it's specifically tuned in favor of Azure:
> Azure Linux was built with that principle in mind: a single, Microsoft-supported Linux foundation designed to work across every Azure compute surface [...] with a predictable update cadence designed around Azure infrastructure
It's quite literally tuned for Azure and Microsoft...
A general-purpose OS is one to which you can build a stack on top of it for any use-case you can think of, and it will cope with whatever stack you lay on it about equally well, because it hasn't been forced into a particular shape where it's much better at some things but much worse at other things. A "jack of all trades, master of none" OS.
Microsoft would call all consumer and server editions of Windows "general-purpose OSes." But Windows Datacenter Edition and Windows IoT Core would be non-general-purpose OSes — the former only exists to run hypervisors/SANs, and it doesn't support "stripping off" that layer, so if you used it for anything else, that layer would always be there, bloating things up; and the latter only exists to run on embedded devices, and it doesn't support "adding back" the extra frameworks and services regular Windows has, that would be required to use it for "more" than embedded use-cases.
An OS being "tuned" for a particular substrate (what the OS is goot at running on), meanwhile, has nothing to do with the OS's use-case (what can be run well on the OS.)
An analogy: each mobile OEM's spin of Android only works on that OEM's own phones, because that OEM's phones have the required hardware wired to the right SoC pins, and the Android spin ships with a BSP that defines a device tree that matches that expected wiring. Thus, those OEM Android spins are "tuned for" those phones.
But in the end, they're all just Android phones, and they can all do the same things. All of these Android spins are "general-purpose OSes." They're all made to enable you to put any Android software you like on top of them, and run it just fine. (Contrast Android spins made by industrial vendors specifically for automotive or kiosk use-cases, where a given car company or kiosk manufacturer then produces a hardware-customized-and-tuned spin of that already-appliance-purposed spin. You wouldn't use a car-infotainment Android upstream for other use-cases; you'd have to undo all the car-infotainment stuff.)
Azure Linux is exactly like a phone-OEM "tuning" of Android (and unlike a vertical-specific Android spin.) Azure Linux is also like, for another example, the vendor-specific Linux "distros" [really, tunings] that ship as (usually binary-only) images for various Single-Board Computers.
In all three cases, a "tuned" fork of an OS is still intended to run anything a user might want to run on the platform the "tuned" fork was forked off of. It exposes a general-purpose surface to the developer — just one that happens to do some of the general-purpose things you ask it to do, more performantly than a non-"tuned" OS would on the same hardware/substrate.
And, in all three cases, the "tuned" fork accomplishes that by relying on device-specific knowledge and capabilities (i.e. drivers, device-tree entries, kernel patches, etc) that have been burned into the "tuned" fork rather than upstreamed. There's still a HAL between you and that stuff; your workload doesn't need to know the "tuned" fork has been tuned. It just benefits automatically, from the OS having a deeper understanding of the hardware/substrate.
That is not a given. There are Linux distributions that run anywhere but are not general-purpose. For example, the various "immutable" Linux distros that exist solely to be used as Kubernetes nodes to host containers.
Someone would have to make a Ubuntu equivalent and use Azure Linux as the base to turn it into a general purpose Linux OS.
Personally, I don't trust Microsoft and their Linux distro with how they Enshitified Windows OS and all of their other software products. Add in the fact that Microsoft likes to multi-count CVEs, per distro, instead of the actual flaw to try and make Windows OS look better when it comes to security.
Microsoft is a bad actor.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48407499 Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux (boxofcables.dev)
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This was released this week, and Microsoft clearly stated it is coming to WSL later this year.
But people love to take conclusions without informing themselves.
I added a bunch of weird stuff for the GUI and PowerShell for fun.
The base container boots out of the box just fine.
They will leave it half baked like everything else since Project Reunion was announced in 2020.
Meanwhile I’m stuck on macOS for work. Oh the irony.
And guess what? You can say exactly the same thing the other way around.
For me Linux had been mostly the UNIX that we have back at home, while most work was done in Solaris, HP-UX, Aix, DG/UX.
I am not attached to Linux specifically.
Finder's only saving grace is miller columns, it sucks in nearly every other way.
Windows+PowerToys is far more enjoyable and productive to use, as is basically any Linux DE.
macOS is fine if your usage involves one or two apps, all each with only one active window. The moment your work involves multiple widows of the same app (say 3 browser windows, a bunch of open Excel docs, multiple terminals) the entire apps are separate from their windows paradigm starts to break down. On Windows being able to alt+tab through browser tabs along with the rest of your open windows is great.
Wouldn't it make more sense for OS makers to "tell Claude" to make a user friendly GUI for their terminal commands?
Sure the problem is it will still come with problems out of the box but that's mostly on laptop manufacturers. At least now you can easily fix them with an agent.
For me it's much more fun to tell my computer what I want and to get it than to scroll through a settings GUI but to each his own
The fundamental issue is that a GUI is a static abstraction over a CLI that allows for millions of potential combinations. You can only expose so many options in a menu before the interface becomes completely unusable.
To expand on your analogy, it’s like running a restaurant that only uses automated vending machines to serve food. It works perfectly fine if someone just wants toasted bread. But the moment a customer asks for more than toasted bread, you're toasted.
Imho, the best bet for the future is a bunch of pre loaded llm skills and clis an agent can work with: getting the chef to use pre-approved hardware, sorta, that can cook up anything that is needed.
But is that an issue? Macs have had this solved for almost half a century: You expose things in the GUI that normal people need, not everything. For hackers, they can still go to the command line to hack.
Good point. I'd say, Linux has inherent complexity across multiple dimensions (less hardware integration, multiple stacks (is it running systemd-networkd ? Or maybe dns
I like that method, keeps the default GUI clean but still offers GUI options for most things if you know where to look.
My mom can't find the button in the GUI though, and odds are it would be buried in menus she'd get lost in. She can type "Send Sally this picture" into a box and hit go. Anyone literate can.
I like the visual and thus get along much better with drag-and-drop than any text based interface. So for me (and maybe your mom) the best solution would be that Sally was a window you could open and drag things to. Surprised that Apple and nobody else ever did this on desktop. At least on iOS, your friends are pictures that appear whenever you press share, but it's not perfect.
with all the arm chips coming into consumer hardware - seems we are about to be there.
Azure Linux 4.0 is the next version of Azure Linux (duh), and WSL base distro.