37 points by surprisetalk 2 hours ago | 13 comments
alopha 1 hour ago
That's a lot of waffle to try and say 'we've got a really scary next model coming too real soon, promise!'
guzfip 1 hour ago
More like they realized how much money they were wasting letting the proles generate slop and vibe code the same CRUD app they rewrote in 5 different JavaScript frameworks a few years back.

The money is in enterprise and government. The consumer market doesn’t remotely pay enough. It’s just the same story with Microsoft purposely making Windows an unusable mess because that’s not where they make their money. It was good to establish themselves, but that market is getting dumped.

flyinglizard 52 minutes ago
Wait six months, get the Chinese version.
everlier 42 minutes ago
Changes as we speak, z.ai is the first one to show differential pricing
1 hour ago
ofjcihen 1 hour ago
I love that in the era of having LLMs summarize everything all of these companies have opted for what I call the “YouTube streamer apology video” tone and length for these announcements.

These feels more or less like a way to get in the news after Anthropic's Mythos announcement by removing some guardrails. I’m still signing up though.

2001zhaozhao 39 minutes ago
Requiring verified access is a good idea to mitigate risks from hacking while still giving people access to the latest models. Take notes, Anthropic.
striking 27 minutes ago
A 5.4 spin with slightly different guardrails is not "access to the latest models". We know this to be true from the article because they have a section entitled "Looking ahead to our upcoming model release and beyond". I wonder if they didn't just feel like they were caught out by Mythos.
bunnywantspluto 1 hour ago
It seems like local LLMs will get popular for cybersecurity if this trend of locking access to models continues.
gavinray 59 minutes ago
I completed the "Trusted Access" verification, but it seems to have unlocked nothing in the OpenAI API or Codex models.

Just FYI for others.

iammjm 1 hour ago
"trusted" + openai just simply doesn't compute for me any more
ACCount37 1 hour ago
Too little too late. OpenAI's shit was nearly worthless for cybersec for what, a year already?

ChatGPT 5.x just tries to deny everything remotely cybersecurity-related - to the point that it would at times rather deny vulnerabilities exist than go poke at them. Unless you get real creative with prompting and basically jailbreak it. And it was this bad BEFORE they started messing around with 5.4 access specifically.

And that was ChatGPT 5.4. A model that, by all metrics and all vibes, doesn't even have a decisive advantage over Opus 4.6 - which just does whatever the fuck you want out of the box.

What's I'm afraid the most of is that Anthropic is going to snort whatever it is that OpenAI is high on, and lock down Mythos the way OpenAI is locking down everything.

jruz 47 minutes ago
That’s the whole point of this variant of the model, it won’t have those guardrails.
ACCount37 39 minutes ago
Yes. But "perform a humiliation ritual of KYC to access the actual model instead of the nerfed version of it that's so neurotic about cybersec you have to sink 400 tokens into getting it to a usable baseline" does not inspire any confidence at all.
Havoc 1 hour ago
>democratized access

>partner with a limited set of organizations for more cyber-permissive models.

I get where they're going with this, but still rather hilarious how they had to get a corporate speak expert pull of the mental gymnastics needed for the announcement

0x3f 51 minutes ago
It must be representative democracy! And our representative is... Larry Ellison. Oh no.
zb3 1 hour ago
> Ultimately, we aim to make advanced defensive capabilities available to legitimate actors large and small, including those responsible for protecting critical infrastructure, public services, and the digital systems people depend on every day.

Translation: we aim to make defensive capabilities available to US and their vassals so they can protect critical infrastructure, while ensuring countries that are independent can't protect against US attacking their critical infrastructure.

Fortunately, this plan will backfire - the model capability is exaggerated and these "safeguards" don't reliably work.

spacebacon 1 hour ago
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ACCount37 59 minutes ago
First, it looks like an "AI psychosis" paper. AI psychosis has been going through armchair philosophers the way crack was going through the low income neighborhoods back in the 80s.

Second, it does not look relevant to the discussions in any way, fashion or form.

Phelinofist 1 hour ago
Sounds totally reasonable to trust OpenAI and the sociopath sama.
mmooss 1 hour ago
This approach means only a tiny portion of the population will every qualify. Doesn't that make everyone else beholden to those few, who are beholden to OpenAI?

Another solution is to make software makers responsible and liable for the output of their products. It's long been a problem that there is little legal responsibility, but we shouldn't just accept it. If Ford makes exploding cars, they are liable. If OpenAI makes software that endangers people, it should be the same.

> Democratized access: Our goal is to make these tools as widely available as possible while preventing misuse. We design mechanisms which avoid arbitrarily deciding who gets access for legitimate use and who doesn’t. That means using clear, objective criteria and methods – such as strong KYC and identity verification – to guide who can access more advanced capabilities and automating these processes over time.

KYC isn't democratic and doesn't prevent arbitrary favoritism, it's the opposite: It's used to control people and to favor friends and exclude enemies.

sureMan6 1 hour ago
> Another solution is to make software makers responsible and liable for the output of their products. It's long been a problem that there is little legal responsibility, but we shouldn't just accept it. If Ford makes exploding cars, they are liable. If OpenAI makes software that endangers people, it should be the same.

That kind of thinking is exactly why LLMs are so censored, because people think OAI should be liable if someone uses chatgpt to commit cyber crimes

How about cyber crimes are already illegal and we just punish whoever uses the new tools to commit crimes instead of holding the tool maker liable

This gets complex if LLMs enable children to commit complex crimes but that's different from just outright restricting the tool for everyone because someone might misuse it

0x3f 48 minutes ago
There's always some wedge issue that means "don't punish the toolkmaker" is not politically viable. You can pick from guns to legal drugs to illegal drugs to all kinds of emotive things.

And once the wedge is in and the concept of maker responsibility is planted, it expands to people's pet issues, obviously.

The actual line of who gets punished just ends up at some equilibrium in the middle. Largely arbitrarily.

luma 1 hour ago
So who is at fault in your solution, the org who created and shipped the software bug, or the company that discovered it?

I don't see how OpenAI is Ford in your analogy as OpenAI didn't make the software that blew up.