140 points by mellosouls 6 hours ago | 8 comments
contubernio 5 hours ago
Bambaataa was a serial sexual abuser and everybody in the rap scene knew it back in the day (early 90s) same way everyone knew about R. Kelly (I ran a rap program on the radio in 92-94).
nunez 4 hours ago
Wow, had no idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrika_bambaataa#Child_sexual_...

Massively influential guy to hip hop, but what a shame.

torben-friis 2 hours ago
Damn. As someone half the world away I just knew him as a pioneer, news didn't travel enough to know anything about the personal lives of artists in the early 00s.

No idea about the allegations until now, which means the news doubly suck.

poisonarena 1 hour ago
Imagine if a rap artist was a gang member, armed robber or murderer. That would be even worse, and I would never listen to their music.
vr46 1 hour ago
poisonarena 1 hour ago
this is not a valid criticism of the point im making
redsocksfan45 1 hour ago
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watwut 1 hour ago
Known murderer and robber rap artists are in prison.
redsocksfan45 1 hour ago
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kstrauser 1 hour ago
I can imagine scenarios where decent people in tough environments might be compelled to join a gang, rob, or even murder. That doesn’t make it ok, but it makes it at least understandable.

I’m unable to imagine a reason why decent people might be compelled to rape children, let alone serially.

defrost 1 hour ago
Well, if it gets normalised during childhood, then it frequently occurs during teen years and adulthood.

You can see some discussion of that in the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse (2017)

* https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/final-report

There is the position, of course, that a sexually abused child that reaches teen years or adulthood is no longer a "decent person" .. which is an interesting transition to dwell on.

kstrauser 1 hour ago
That makes it more understandable, but he lost a trial that said he was raping a child when he was 38 years old.

Someone abused as a child who does sketchy things in their early 20s is tragic. Someone doing the same when they’re nearly 40 is a whole lot harder to dismiss. Like, you don’t make it to that age without hearing a lot of people along the way saying not to rape children.

defrost 1 hour ago
Oh, please, don't think I'm making any excuses here .. but I was around and about the evidence management side of a five deep dive into institutional childhood abuse ... the various things that went down tend to explain a lot of early following behaviour once some kind of distance from early abuse is made.

You're right to flag ongoing and persistent shitty behaviour as unacceptable - even assigning blame there gets problematic as there absolutely is an element of "would they be less bad had they had more support on escape", but you can't be giving a pass forever.

Bloody Trolley problems .. this is one of several areas with no good choices, no easy solutions.

chiefalchemist 40 minutes ago
If only human behavior was that simple. The DSM-5 is filled with diseases of the mind. Choice often isn’t as cut and dry as we would like to believe.

No one wakes up and thinks “I want to suffer today of _____.” [1] AndI want others to suffer along with me.

That said, perhaps the universe is binary? Perhaps evil, pure evil does exist? Perhaps there’s no to stopping evil than “just say no”? It’s hard to say.

[1] Insert mental, physical a/o spiritual illness here.

47282847 1 hour ago
There is also the theory that it serves as a reenactment of one’s own abuse. Trying to find peace and return to safety by replaying the scene, this time not as helpless victim but perpetrator: in control.

Victims of sexual abuse thus often are haunted by “fantasies” of abuse but avoiding the victim position; the trap is to identify with the fantasies. All too often, they’ve been told it is their fault, they wanted it etc, so the imagined replay “proves the original perpetrator right”.

The only way to break the circle seems to be to fully go into the fantasy and process the victim position, with support of a well-meaning presence (typically a therapist but in another reality it could be friends or family).

poisonarena 1 hour ago
couldn't you apply your exact same argument for them?
redsocksfan45 1 hour ago
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sjtgraham 4 hours ago
What did you do about it at the time?
dbcooper 2 minutes ago
A friend of mine has worked in TV and film for decades. Many times he has told me about rumoured offenders (typically after they are arrested), but other than avoiding working on productions with them what are his choices? Trying to do a completely ridiculous "citizen's arrest"?
contubernio 3 hours ago
Not a reasonable question. All my information was third hand at best.

We didn't play Bambaataa, R Kelly or Tupac (convicted rapist) records. That's about all a radio station could do. Can't state what legally speaking were merely rumors on the air without facing problems. All you can do is not support them commercially, which we did.

lostlogin 1 hour ago
I’d say it is a reasonable question, with a really good answer.
poisonarena 1 hour ago
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kstrauser 1 hour ago
This is such an odd hill to die on.
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chris_wot 3 hours ago
The same thing you did. What sort of question is that?
Klaster_1 6 hours ago
defrost 5 hours ago
Contemporaneously: World Destruction - Afrika Bambaataa & John Lydon (Released on: 31/12/1984) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoXGMSOIrIs
jimt1234 5 hours ago
Afrika Bambaataa is a major reason I fell in love with hip hop back around '82. Further, I've always felt "perfect beat" is a much better song than the more popular "planet rock". Back then, "planet rock" was for regular folk, "perfect beat" was for the breakers. Regular folk would be dancing on the floor, just like normal, and then, later in the evening, the DJ would drop "perfect beat" and it was on - specifically, this part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=229&v=rHQ11l4uiM4 . The dance floor would clear, otherwise you'd catch a foot from some dude spinning around. Good times.

I'm still trying to digest all the s3xual abuse allegations against Bam later in life.

RIP Bam

wahnfrieden 5 hours ago
The allegations became public later in his life but the incidents go back to the 80s and 90s, his whole career. Rest In Piss indeed
nailer 1 hour ago
I got into this guy via this Leftfield collab, it’s a great video: https://youtu.be/KvxbFWY2Hsc sad to hear he was a creep.
Teever 5 hours ago
I fell into a job bussing tables and porting alcohol at a local live music venue when I was 19 and I worked there off and on over seven years.

As much as I love live music after a while it just sort of became a job, but every now and again an incredible musician would come through and I wouldn’t know until I showed up for my shift and I asked my coworkers who was playing that night.

One night I come in and my jaw drops when find out it’s fucking DJ Africa Bambaataa! Now I’m not big into hip hop but I had listened to a few of his albums and I knew his music was phenomenal and I was shocked such a legend was playing in my town.

The crazy part is only like 100 people showed up out of a capacity of like 800 but every single one of those people could dance.

The venue had an old sound booth that was attached to ceiling and was accessible with a rickety old spiral staircase, as it was so slow that night I spent most of my time up there just soaking in that experience.

I’ve seen a lot of live shows in my day but that one stands out.

kristopolous 2 hours ago
yeah, he was skilled. Got to see him a few years ago.
nixy 4 hours ago
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crakenzak 6 hours ago
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mind-blight 6 hours ago
Because it's Afrika Bambaataa. He invented entirely new techniques for making music - which is already enough for him to be relevant here - that influences what many of us listen to daily.
jimt1234 5 hours ago
Back in the early-80s, after learning about sampled music, most people's next question was, "Who the fuck is Kraftwerk?" LOL
gvv 2 hours ago
Hacker news?
nslsm 2 hours ago
Could be discussing his great, ground-breaking music, and instead all I see here is homophobia.
ChrisMarshallNY 5 minutes ago
Homophobia often manifests as inferring that homosexuals always abuse children. It’s a pretty classic trope.

Point of fact (lots of data), is that most child abuse is the standard hetero variety (and not only men abusing girls). I know many folks that were victims of abuse. It’s awful, no matter who does it, and it sucks to see it being used as fodder for personal hatreds.

I don’t know this guy, but it’s not like he’s exactly alone. Lots of A-listers have some pretty ugly skeletons. Sometimes, escaping a rough past, is what gives them the drive that results in their success.

prmoustache 56 minutes ago
Issue is not homophobia but grooming and sexual abuse.

French ex rapper Solo mentionned in his book he witnessed and was himself groomed and abused at 17 by Afrika Bambaataa and all Bambaataa's entourage knew about that and just chose to either ignore or even facilitate it. It seemed to have been an open secret within at least NYC hip hop circle and the Zulu Nation in general which chose to ignore and even attack the victims who speaked out.

jaapz 1 hour ago
Where's this homophobia exactly?