47 points by artursapek 7 hours ago | 17 comments
arrsingh 2 hours ago
This looks really nice! Congratulations on building something awesome, especially in a space that's "crowded" with the big players.

I want to give kudos to two things:

1. It took you 10 months to build this. This is focused product development and craftsmanship which is very different from Vibe coding something. So let this be a reminder to all the "I can vibe code this or that in a weekend". Good products / experiences take time.

2. You've pursued building something in a space that anyone would normally dismiss right away: "Why would anyone use this? Google Docs/ Word etc already does this" or "MSFT / GOOG will destroy you". Good on you for picking something that is hard and building it well. I actually had this idea and almost built it but dismissed it myself for the same reasons as above. So reminder again for the builders in the back: Doesn't matter if there is a 800lb gorilla building this, if you can execute it better go for it.

Kudos!

NewsaHackO 14 minutes ago
> This is focused product development and craftsmanship which is very different from Vibe coding something. So let this be a reminder to all the "I can vibe code this or that in a weekend". Good products / experiences take time.

How do you know? There isn't a git repo that one can see the history of, he could have coded this in one weekend and used the rest of the time doing noncoding activities. Also, he could have made the entire thing by prompting without any hands on coding at all. The fact that it is a web app with a SaaS platform (the thing that LLM-assisted coding is the best at) doesn't inspire confidence.

artursapek 1 hour ago
Thanks, that's nice. Yeah it's been 10 months, and 7 of them completely full time... living off savings. I think there's plenty of room for innovation with word processors now that we have LLMs and the big players are unlikely to go far outside the box.
patate007 2 hours ago
I'm building a similar project, and I may open-source it. I'm using OnlyOffice and a coding agent that modifies the files with Python libraries in a sandbox (e.g. python-pptx for PowerPoint files).

Have you also considered using a solution like OnlyOffice for your product? Or a "Notion-like" lib such as Tiptap or PlateJS?

artursapek 1 hour ago
I definitely looked at TipTap and ended up building off their Y.js backend, which is great: https://tiptap.dev/docs/hocuspocus/getting-started/overview

I wanted to build something canvas-based, so that eliminated most of these options. I also just wanted full control of that part of my stack... it's the core product after all. There are several TipTap/ProseMirror wrappers out there already.

You should share yours though, would be interested to see

Surac 1 hour ago
Subsciption and Online means not for me
washbasin 5 hours ago
Er, is right click disabled on this page? Certainly seems to be in any browser I pick. If so, why?
artursapek 5 hours ago
Unintended, thanks. fixed
the__alchemist 5 hours ago
Anecdote from a frustrated typer. There are no good word processors. MS office and Libre/open-whatever-they-call-it-now-office are bloated mess. I did a deep dive on this a few months ago, and there are 0 light/good options. There are a few that show up in google searches, but they are all disappointing in one way or another.

So, thoughts on a non-AI lightweight word processor.

dbacar 5 hours ago
I am not a defender of Word (2024) but it starts in 1-2 seconds in my laptop.

Actually the speed is a problem when you have hundreds of pages with track changes and comments.

Maybe you should check Wordperfect or WordStar ;)

codethief 5 hours ago
What features would you expect from a good word processor? What features should it leave out, i.e. features make MS Office / OpenOffice / LibreOffice a bloated mess?
the__alchemist 5 hours ago
Start fast (maybe <100ms), respond instantly, good UX.
shivenjoshi 5 hours ago
It is absolutely crazy to me that this is criteria. Office 2003 checked those boxes in that era. This was a solved thing that somehow warrants further deliberation now. I believe it is The Great Moore's Law Compensator.
shivenjoshi 5 hours ago
the__alchemist 5 hours ago
Ty. I looked at that, and unfortunately cannot recall why I rejected it.
nubg 5 hours ago
What exactly would the perfect tool look like?
the__alchemist 5 hours ago
Perfect isn't the goal. But something on the tier of KiCad, Blender, Zed, Sublime, etc.
Imustaskforhelp 6 minutes ago
Speaking of zed, if the team at zed is reading this, then I genuinely believe with my full heart that you guys can actually solve this issue given the impressive work you have done at trying to make the editor fast.

If you work towards something like google docs etc., this product feels right within your category and can work with the team features at zed to a far greater degree.

Zed also natively has AI functionality so it can work for some people and the best part about Zed is that AI functionality can be toggled off too :-)

This might as well be a billion dollar unsolved problem which the team at zed could use their expertise on perhaps. Although I suggest that maybe instead of bolting these functionalities into zed itself, maybe a zed-fork can be created for a more Microsoft word alternative?

Has someone tried at making a zed extension which can somehow be a word editor or anything similar, perhaps it might be possible within the frameworks of zed now itself but I am not sure.

I hope someone at zed team reads this and solves this problem. Zed is fantastic piece of software, thanks for making it zed team :-)

artursapek 5 hours ago
Revise is that, actually. It's a free, lightweight, fast word processor at its core. It also has real-time collaboration, also free. You don't need to use the AI features.

It even supports code blocks, LaTeX, and Mermaid diagrams.

Also, the passive spelling/grammar checking in the editor is powered by LLMs and completely free. It will catch mistakes that other word processors won't, such as malapropisms.

the__alchemist 5 hours ago
Ty; will check it out. That wasn't one of the one I looked at.

Edit: Ah I see, from the OP. Unfortunately, I think Subscription-based, web-app, and vibe-coded would individually be deal breakers. Combined indicates it's not the sort of tool I seek.

artursapek 5 hours ago
lol, ok bro
tomtomistaken 5 hours ago
How do you make sure the LLM catches and reports all grammar mistakes if I ask for it?
artursapek 5 hours ago
I've built an agent loop that has a self-review step, and it's pretty good at catching mistakes. It's able to scan the document in chunks and use tools to surgically change small parts.
tyleo 6 hours ago
This looks wonderful!

I do a decent amount of writing on my blog and for work so I was thinking, "why doesn't this product appeal to me?"

I think I'm hesitant to spent yet another monthly subscription on something. I get decent mileage just copying and pasting sections into Claude so it's hard to justify another $8 a month on another tool.

I also do a decent amount of my editing in raw markdown files and apply styling almost as a post-process. Part of the problem is that I'm always pasting documents into corporate portals (Confluence, Wiki's, Google Docs) and they don't always copy formatting in the way I'd expect. So I just write raw text and format it after paste.

artursapek 6 hours ago
Thanks for the feedback. The pitch with Revise is it's a fully integrated agent inside a word processor. The "copy and paste between ChatGPT and docs" is the workflow I set out to improve on a la PG's "find something people are doing and figure out a way to do it that doesn't suck." I think you'd find it's a much better user experience, especially when you're iterating a lot on something.

I get that subscriptions turn some people off, and I'm open to other ideas of how to make a project like this financially sustainable. I don't want to do ads :)

tyleo 6 hours ago
Can this be integrated inside of something like Google Docs or Microsoft Word? Or is that more of an aspiration at this point? The vibe I got from the landing page was that it's a standalone app.
artursapek 6 hours ago
Not without having control over those products and their source code, which is why I built an alternative. From my testing, the Revise agent is more capable than Gemini+Docs and Copilot are right now.
artursapek 1 hour ago
Thanks for the feedback. It seems my post got flag-bombed at some point. I can't reply to takahitoyoneda anvevoice techpulse_x or Remi_Etien. feel free to email me art@art.cx
wellsjohnston 6 hours ago
Wonderful product :)
bartlomein 6 hours ago
Looks really cool!
rvz 6 hours ago
This would really work well for teams. Are there any limits into how many people can collaborate on Revise?
artursapek 6 hours ago
No enforced limits right now, but HN might find the performance bounds of my backend today. I am planning to add team/org accounts soon!
lapalapa 6 hours ago
Looks nice, very nice.

Why don't you use your local open source llm, without the interaction of big models? I mean, more work, but you don't need to pay your cut to them. Just asking.

artursapek 5 hours ago
Yes, an eventual goal is to let Revise use a local LLM.
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