222 points by johnbarron 8 hours ago | 18 comments
randerson 1 hour ago
I've developed a new fear of my 2025 desktop PC being damaged by a power surge or something, because it would cost at least $2K more to replace than I paid for it, assuming I can even find parts now. Compared to the rest of my adult life when I used to secretly pray for something to fail so I would have a reason to upgrade.
srik 39 minutes ago
Living in developing countries taught me to never plugin expensive computers without a surge protector UPS.
porkloin 34 minutes ago
Honestly even in "developed countries" it's not worth blindly trusting that the power in your house/building is clean. It's cheap and easy enough to just put any expensive hardware on a UPS rather than speculating what's going on behind the walls.
SlightlyLeftPad 1 hour ago
Silver lining: literally all Macs are a total steal right now.
remus 6 minutes ago
I mean they're still expensive, they just seem relatively good value because everything else has gotten more expensive.
moralestapia 1 minute ago
Yeah, that's what @SlightlyLeftPad said.
Joel_Mckay 58 minutes ago
Good Mac Pro models are still spendy, but the M3/M4 laptops are great if your software use-cases are met. =3
Joel_Mckay 1 hour ago
We used those Tripp Lite LC1200 to knock down the noise floor (14dB) on remote equipment.

These line-conditioners actually perform well given the cost, but never buy used surge-arresters given the finite spike hit-count. Best of luck =3

cyberax 37 minutes ago
These devices are basically autotransformers. So they reduce the noise by providing inductive filtering. But they don't really protect against strong surges by themselves.

So Tripp Lite uses a regular varistor for that, just like any other surge protector. In Europe you'd be far better off buying a voltage relay and adding it to your electrical panel, but it's not usually possible with the non-modular US electrical panels.

Joel_Mckay 22 minutes ago
The simple line-conditioners were surprisingly effective, and are a fraction of the cost of lab/medical grade galvanic isolation ferroresonant transformers. =3
FreezingKeeper 13 minutes ago
What’s with the ‘cock and balls’ emoticon?
Joel_Mckay 6 minutes ago
Don't worry about it =3
amatecha 10 minutes ago
welcome to the internet, sometimes people make smiley faces :)
abeppu 4 hours ago
I remember hearing somewhere on this site that medical imaging got pretty good at building systems that recycle helium. Does chip manufacturing not do this or are the losses at their scale are still large enough that you need a substantial constant supply?
throwup238 54 minutes ago
The big problem is purity. Fabs use grade 5 and 6 helium where contaminants are 1-10 parts per billion. The infrastructure to get it that pure becomes very specialized and any time the helium goes through a process it picks up so much contamination that recycling it would require the entire purifying and quality control infrastructure for pressure or temperature swing adsorption.

Some fabs are starting to reuse helium in downstream processes but there’s only so much they can do without expanding their core competency into yet another complex chemical manufacturing process.

MRI machines don’t need high purity helium and the contamination doesn’t “gunk up” all the tools so it’s not an issue to recycle it there.

observationist 2 hours ago
Some of the fabs do recycle as effectively as they can, but MRIs use it in a single process, in liquid form, in a relatively constrained container. Fabs use it for a variety of processes, ranging from wafer cooling to purging environments, to making ultra ultra clean chambers. The scale of what they use is higher, too, so even if an individual process is more efficiently recapturing helium, they might go through a few tons a day, with an MRI only using a few liters and losing 5% or less.
robocat 27 minutes ago
Also fab companies have had to learn to be incredibly conservative about perceptively meaningless changes.

Most famously illustrated by Intel's "Copy Exactly!" methodology. https://duckduckgo.com/?q="copy%20exactly"+Intel

An adjacent IBM story that kinda explains why:

  During the year 1986, there was an anomalous increase in LSI memory problems. Electronics in early 1987 appeared to have problem rates approaching 20 times higher than predicted. In contrast, identical LSI memories being manufactured in Europe showed no anomalous problems. Because of knowledge of the radioactivity problem with the Intel 2107 RAMs, it was thought that the LSI package probably was at fault, since the IBM chips were mounted on similar ceramic materials. LSI ceramic packages made by IBM in Europe and in the U.S. were exchanged, but the European computer modules (with European chips and U.S. packaging) showed no fails, while the U.S. chips with European packages still failed at a high rate. This indicated that the problem was undoubtedly in the U.S.-manufactured LSI chips. In April 1987, significant design changes had been made to the memory chip with the most problems, a 4Kb bipolar RAM. The newer chip had been given the nickname Hera, and so at an early stage the incident became known as the "Hera problem."
  By June 1987, the problem was very serious. A group was organized to investigate the problem. The first breakthrough in understanding occurred with the analysis of "carcasses" from the memory chips (the term carcasses refers to the chips on an LSI wafer which do not work correctly, and are not used but saved in case some problem occurs at a future time). Some of these carcasses were shown to have significant radioactivity.
  Six weeks was spent in the manufacturing process lines, looking for radioactivity, and traces were found inside various processing units. However, it could not be determined whether these traces came from the raw materials used, or whether they were transferred from the chips themselves, which might have been contaminated earlier in their processing. Further, it was discovered that radioactive filaments (containing radioactive thorium) were commonly used in some evaporators. A detailed analysis by T. Zabel of some of the "hot" chips revealed that the radioactive contamination came from a single source: Po210 This isotope is found in the uranium decay chain, which contains about twelve different radioactive species. The surprising fact was that Po210 was the only contaminant on the LSI chips, and all the other expected decay-chain elements were missing. Hundreds of chips were analyzed for radioactivity, and Po210 contamination was found going back more than a year. Then it was found that whatever caused the radioactivity problem disappeared on all wafers started after May 22, 1987. After this precise date, all new wafers were free of contamination, except for small amounts which probably were contaminated by other older chips being processed by the same equipment. Since it takes about four months for chips to be manufactured, the pipeline was still full of "hot" chips in July and August 1987. Further sweeps of the manufacturing lines showed trace radioactivity, but the plant was essentially clean. The contamination had appeared in 1985, increased by more than 1000 times until May 22, 1987, and then totally disappeared!
  Several months passed, with widespread testing of manufacturing materials and tools, but no radioactive contamination was discovered. All memory chips in the manufacturing lines were spot-screened for radioactivity, but they were clean. The radioactivity reappeared in the manufacturing plant in early December 1987, mildly contaminating several hundred wafers, then disappeared again. A search of all the materials used in the fabrication of these chips found no source of the radioactivity. With further screening, and a lot of luck, a new and unused bottle of nitric acid was identified by J. Hannah as radioactive. One surprising aspect of this discovery was that, of twelve bottles in the single lot of acid, only one was contaminated. Since all screening of materials assumed lot-sized homogeneity, this discovery of a single bad sample in a large lot probably explained why previous scans of the manufacturing line had been negative. The unopened bottle of radioactive nitric acid led investigators back to a supplier's factory, and it was found that the radioactivity was being injected by a bottle-cleaning machine for semiconductor-grade acid bottles. This bottle cleaner used radioactive Po210 material to ionize an air jet which was used to dislodge electrostatic dust inside the bottles after washing. The jets were leaking radioactivity because of a change in the epoxy used to seal the Po210 inside the air jet capsule. Since these jets gave off infrequent and random bursts of radioactivity, only a few bottles out of thousands were contaminated.
An excerpt from: Ziegler, James F., et al. "IBM experiments in soft fails in computer electronics (1978–1994)." IBM journal of research and development 40.1 (1996): 3-18

Polonium is debuggable. More subtle statistical aberrations would be exponentially harder.

nice_byte 18 minutes ago
this story would make a killer asianometry video
robocat 1 minute ago
CSI parody style?

I'm most familiar with software and home electronics debugging, but it would be wonderful to hear some stories from other disciplines where a culprit is found, and also about the forensic tools specific to other domains.

hbrav 34 minutes ago
Tech divers are also probably gonna be having a Bad Time. Helium mixes are already pretty expensive, I assume this will make it far worse.
vablings 32 minutes ago
Also, copper welding involves the use of helium as shielding gas. Helium shortage is painful
arunc 6 hours ago
So the RAM prices are going to skyrocket again?
HerbManic 2 hours ago
Of course, everything at the moment regardless of good or bad means higher RAM price.
johnbarron 3 minutes ago
I tried upgrading to 32 GB of RAM...but the bank offered me a mortgage instead...
trollbridge 7 hours ago
Aren’t there huge stockpiles of helium in the US? I can buy party sized tanks at Target or big tanks at the usual places like welding supply places.
hrmtst93837 2 hours ago
Helium for party balloons is low grade and not pure enough for chip fab use, so stacking up birthday tanks won't keep TSMC running. Industrial grade helium has a restricted and oddly international supply chain thanks to regulation and a few weirdly-placed depots. The US 'helium stockpile' isn't really a menu you can just order from when a factory across the planet runs dry, especially if offtakes and logistics are tied up by decade-old government contracts. If you want to see supply chain fragility, try pricing MRI-grade helium after a shutdown and watch everyone in medical procurement panic quitely.
jason_s 35 minutes ago
after what kind of shutdown?
realityking 3 minutes ago
Most MRIs vent their helium in an emergency shutdown. https://medprotech.de/en/what-is-an-mri-quench/
ceejayoz 4 minutes ago
If the helium gets warm, you have to vent it outside before it goes kaboom from the pressure.

https://radiology.ucsf.edu/patient-care/patient-safety/mri-s...

stevenwoo 1 hour ago
All natural gas deposits contain helium at various concentrations, it's only commercially worth harvesting above a certain percentage but speculate the problem is the US can't just fill the Qatar loss in supply immediately since we have plentiful natural gas.
trollbridge 41 minutes ago
Makes sense.

We have so much gas where I live that there are places it’s just flared off and burned, because it’s less greenhouse emissions than it escaping unburned.

GeorgeWBasic 33 minutes ago
If it's being burned, it isn't helium.
HPsquared 18 minutes ago
Parent is referring to natural gas
dylan604 2 hours ago
Depending on who you go to, some places will not sell you tanks of Helium. We did a balloon launch expecting to use Hydrogen because Helium was going to be problematic. The sales rep at the supply place took a look at the group of us knuckleheads with absolutely no Hydrogen experience and ended up selling us the Helium while also exchanging all of our connectors. Hydrogen tanks use specific connectors different from all other tanks to make using a hydrogen take by mistake very difficult. I was nervous about using hydrogen and had no issue with the higher price for the helium knowing I wasn't going to catch on fire.
emsign 6 hours ago
Balloon gas is ~20% oxygen, so your kids don't go unconscious while doing the funny voices.
icwtyjj 1 hour ago
https://www.bocgases.ie/files/balloon_grade_helium_factsheet... says 95% helium and 1% oxygen while https://dan.org/alert-diver/article/helium-gas-purity-what-i... says 97.5% helium but very unlikely for it to be as low as 80%
inaros 1 hour ago
"An overview of the different common grades of helium" - https://zephyrsolutions.com/what-are-the-different-grades-of...

Grade 6 (6.0 helium = 99.9999% purity) The closest to 100% pure helium, 6.0 helium is used in the manufacturing of semiconductor chips – Grade 5.5 (5.5 helium = (99.9995% purity) Like 6.0 helium, 5.5 ultra pure helium gas is typically considered “research grade,” also used in chromatography and semiconductor processing

Grade 5 (5.0 helium = 99.999% purity) This high purity grade helium is also widely used for gas chromatography, mass spectrometry, and specific laboratory research when higher purity gases are not necessary, as well as for weather balloons and blimps.

Grade 4.8 (4.8 helium = 99.998% purity) The highest of the “industrial grade” heliums, 4.8 grade helium is often used by the military. The rest is classified...

Grade 4.7 (4.7 helium = 99.997% purity) A “Grade-A” industrial helium, 99.997% helium is mostly used in cryogenic applications and for pressurizing and purging

Grade 4.6 (4.6 helium = 99.996% purity) Grade 4.6 industrial helium is used for weather balloons, blimps, in leak detection

Grade 4.5 (4.5 helium = 99.995% purity) Often the grade most commonly referred to when people say “industrial grade,” 99.995% helium is most commonly used in the balloon industry

Grade 4 (4.0 helium and lower = 99.99% purity) Any helium that is 99.99% and down into the high 80 percents is within the range of purities referred to collectively as “balloon grade helium.”

HPsquared 14 minutes ago
Helium for diving is going to be a different mix than what's used for balloons. In diving it's used to reduce the partial pressure of oxygen, and also to quickly diffuse back out of tissues when returning to the surface. Very different application!
bee_rider 1 hour ago
I wonder if one of you could be going by number of atoms, and the other could be going by weight?
kerridge0 52 minutes ago
I believe that that's the stuff you buy in the shop, the non-refillable containers. If you buy a proper refillable balloon gas cylinder it's the higher grade stuff. Source: bought the shop stuff, got disappointed, bought the cylinder, happy.
rootusrootus 1 hour ago
You sure about that? Everything I've ever heard says that balloon gas is generally grade 4, which is 99.99% pure. Not good enough for MRI, but quite a lot better than 80%.
Jblx2 34 minutes ago
>99.99% pure. Not good enough for MRI

What is the reason that MRI needs grade 6 vs grade 4 helium? I'm imagining that the superconducting wire is within a cryostat filled with liquid helium. Doesn't seem like there would be any appreciably partial pressure of things like nitrogen or oxygen at 4 Kelvin. I imagine the reactivity of oxygen is pretty low at 4 K as well. How much dissolved oxygen or nitrogen can liquid helium support? And how much solidifies out and sinks to the bottom of the cryostat?

pfdietz 1 hour ago
Economically I expect it wouldn't be that pure, since it doesn't have to be that pure to provide lift, and party balloons are not trying to maximize lift.
rootusrootus 1 hour ago
Out of curiosity I did a minor amount of research to get an idea.

Turns out that you are right, some balloon gas is 80%. Specifically, the "Balloon Time" tanks you can buy at places like Target say "not less than 80%" helium.

On the other hand, I went to AirGas and a few other suppliers and they seemed to have 95%-97.0% helium gas as their definition for balloon grade.

pfdietz 56 minutes ago
Perhaps "balloon grade" here is not "party balloon grade". Weather balloons? Research balloons?
rootusrootus 40 minutes ago
My guess is that places like AirGas aren't really supplying many weather or research balloons. I suspect the easier answer is 'Balloon Time is low grade crap aimed at people who don't know any better and just want to pick up some balloon gas while grocery shopping.' It's like the difference between people who go to a gas station to refill propane tanks, and people who swap them at Home Depot. (though the smart fellers do swap at Home Depot occasionally, if they need a fresher tank...)

Definitely worth knowing what you're getting, in any case, so you don't get ripped off, and so you can actually get that lawn chair contraption into the sky.

bryan0 1 hour ago
source? the value I found is 97.5%+ helium for party balloons: https://www.grecogas.com/learn-our-industry/your-complete-gu...
stevenwoo 1 hour ago
People commit suicide with it because it's supposedly painless and quick.
kylehotchkiss 36 minutes ago
We're dumb enough now to have forgotten history.

Moar hydrogen party balloons. Making partying fun again!

shmeeed 5 hours ago
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qwertox 1 hour ago
This is very likely not true.
estimator7292 1 hour ago
Would you like to offer a rebuttal more well reasoned and thought out than "nuh-uh"?

You have the entire collected knowledge of mankind at your fingertips. You could do 30 seconds of research and find an answer better than "I don't think that sounds right".

loloquwowndueo 1 hour ago
> You could do 30 seconds of research

So could you, right?

krunck 38 minutes ago
fluidcruft 6 hours ago
A lot of the balloon use has switched to nitrogen (helium became much, much more expensive after the strategic helium reserve was sold off)
rootusrootus 1 hour ago
Nitrogen? That's basically just air, what good would a balloon be using nitrogen? Might as well just blow it up with your lungs. It's certainly not going to float in any case.
ralferoo 2 hours ago
> balloon use ... helium became much, much more expensive

More than just from inflation? (sorry, not sorry!)

bilsbie 6 hours ago
Is lifting gas? That’s pretty cool.
nerdsniper 6 hours ago
Technically yes, but practically no. Air is 78% nitrogen. Nitrogen is 3.3% lighter than air. Helium is 86.2% lighter than air. Hydrogen is 93% lighter than air.
cpncrunch 6 hours ago
No.
dnautics 1 hour ago
not just. huge deposits opened (actively being exploited) up in colorado, utah in the past few years and Minnesota this year
mc32 1 hour ago
Good old JIT stock management for essential materials, right?

One’d think that they’d keep more than a couple of weeks’s supply of critical materials —to bad many copied Cook’s and others’s JIT inventory management for everything.

vasco 7 hours ago
Messer Completes Acquisition of Federal Helium System from BLM https://www.messer-us.com/press-releases/messer-completes-ac...
bix6 6 hours ago
Why did we sell it instead of lease? This seems like something that should be in public hands.
tzs 42 minutes ago
The Helium Privatization Act of 1996 (HPA) required it. It passed to House on a voice vote and the Senate by unanimous consent and was signed by President Clinton.

After sales paid off the debt that has been incurred from the expansion of scope of the helium program in the 1960 Helium Act, which was one of the main points of the HPA, it was update by the Helium Stewardship Act of 2013 (which passed the House 394-1, and the Senate 97-2, and was signed by President Obama).

piva00 6 hours ago
Ideological idiocy, the dismantling of anything public turning into private hands is ideologically pure for libertarian-inclined folks, no matter how strategically stupid it might be.
hn_acc1 24 minutes ago
This. 1000x this.
forgetfreeman 6 hours ago
crypto-libertarian "government bad" ideology is one hell of a drug.
dnautics 5 hours ago
well it was signed into law by obama, so there's that.
kristjansson 1 hour ago
yes the president is the law giver, he who conceives, imposes, and bears in perpetuity all responsibilities for all laws passed during his term
stvltvs 4 hours ago
I like the guy, but he was GOP-lite as a president, served corporate interests.
forgetfreeman 3 hours ago
I'm no partisan. Politicians elected to serve corporate interests come in your choice of red or blue.
dnautics 3 hours ago
of course but i think characterizing obama as a Crypto-Libertarian is a disservice to carter, who was actually a crypto-libertarian
cagenut 6 hours ago
sorry thats too far left wing an opinion in america today
infogulch 6 hours ago
The sale was completed in 2024.
actionfromafar 6 hours ago
I feel that as soon as the existential threat easened with the splintering of the Soviet Union, the US started doing some self-harming libertarian flavored shit to itself.

In the 1980s, I assume getting rid of the "strategic reserve" of anything would have met more pushback, because of primal fear overriding greed.

trollbridge 39 minutes ago
Wasn’t the original purpose of the strategic helium reserve to build fleets of zeppelins?
scythe 49 minutes ago
> We are going to do a terrible thing to you — we are going to deprive you of an enemy.

– Georgi Arbatov, Soviet political scientist, 1988

noah_buddy 55 minutes ago
Yes, Reagan was noted for his desire to avoid privatization of anything. /s

Kidding aside, the US has had libertarian pipe dreams for the better part of its history. The aberration was the New Deal period up until the mid 60s.

phr4ts 6 hours ago
For those who don't understand, Biden sold the Helium not Trump - he took office on Jan 20, 2025.
baldeagle 6 hours ago
"Current law (cira 2013) requires BLM to sell off the crude helium remaining in the Federal Helium Reserve in order to repay the U.S. Treasury the $1.3 billion debt incurred creating it. This debt will be repaid this fiscal year and that, as a consequence, the helium program will terminate at the end of the current fiscal year (October 1, 2013), absent Congressional action. Currently, the Federal Helium Reserve supplies roughly 40% of domestic and 30% of global helium demand. Loss of access to the Federal Helium Reserve would result in significant disruptions to a large number of critical U.S. industries." https://www.energy.senate.gov/services/files/494b2f9e-c8f5-4...

Sounds like Obama kept the gas taps flowing, instead of locking it up because authorization to sell it had expired. Here is the whole record: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/527/...

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4ggr0 5 hours ago
> too far left wing

> biden

uhm...

edgyquant 1 hour ago
His admin was by far the most left wing in history, only the actual far left think otherwise
cyberax 44 minutes ago
How does he compare with Nixon, who created the EPA?
ImPostingOnHN 1 hour ago
Please don't call everyone names for not agreeing with you.

There are billions of people in the world, and you are one, and you have your one set of opinions out of billions.

Nobody endowed you or your opinions with any sort of infallibility or superiority over others.

owebmaster 7 hours ago
Foi de vasco (died).
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lpcvoid 7 hours ago
Great timing that the US recently sold its strategic helium supply.
infogulch 6 hours ago
BLM [(Bureau of Land Management)] completes $460M sale of federal helium reserve to private company | 12/12/2024 | https://www.eenews.net/articles/blm-completes-460m-sale-of-f...

Messer Completes Acquisition of Federal Helium System from BLM | June 27, 2024 | https://www.messer-us.com/press-releases/messer-completes-ac...

baldeagle 6 hours ago
BLM was required (to sell it) by Congress in the Helium Stewardship Act of 2013, as the alternative was to not offer any H to the market due to the authorization to sell expiring. Sponsored by a Republican and passed basically unanimously with the proceeds used to pay of the debt (back when we cared about that)
robmccoll 2 hours ago
The idea of selling things like our strategic helium supply for $460M to "pay off the debt" would be like me selling bricks from the foundation of my house for a penny to "pay off my mortgage".
AnthonyMouse 35 minutes ago
$460M was for what was left after the large majority had already been sold.

In the best case, "strategic reserves" are the government speculating on commodity prices. They use tax dollars to buy a commodity -- raising the price on everyone so they can hoard it -- and then more tax dollars to pay for a storage facility, and if they're lucky the price goes up by enough to pay for the storage and the time value of money by they time they sell it again. That frequently doesn't happen.

In the common case it's the government subsidizing corporations -- including foreign ones -- by using tax dollars (at government contractor rates) to operate a storage facility at a loss so the industry doesn't have to do it themselves. Then, when they go to unload it, they generally unload enough to lower the market price on purpose, practically guaranteeing that the taxpayer is getting a below-market return. This unloading also has a statistical correlation with the election cycle (see also "strategic petroleum reserve") which is extra stupid. And the expectation that it will happen deters others who aren't paying government contractor rates from storing the commodity, so from a "strategic" perspective you don't get anywhere near as much of a buffer as you're paying for.

If the tech industry wants a reserve of helium then they should buy some land, install some tanks and fill them with helium in years when there isn't a shortfall.

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embedding-shape 2 hours ago
What if it's not actually your house, but some unspecified "somebody else's", and you only stand to profit from it? Starts to make sense why some unscrupulous people would go that way, shitty as it is.
Noumenon72 2 hours ago
Wouldn't another alternative be to renew the authorization to sell? This doesn't seem much different from just deciding to sell it.
TehCorwiz 2 hours ago
Republicans believe that the federal government shouldn't be involved in it at all. So a reauth bill would effectively be DOA.

But yeah, that would make more sense.

dnautics 5 hours ago
thanks obama?
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actionfromafar 6 hours ago
Those party ballons were very cheap for a while.
desireco42 6 hours ago
yeah that was completely crazy... never understood why they would do something like that
linkregister 6 hours ago
An explanation is particular political group was ideologically enthralled with privatization.
karmakurtisaani 4 hours ago
The same group will later happily blame the government for doing said stupid thing.
CrzyLngPwd 1 hour ago
This is, according to Hegseth, just something they planned for, since they knew what was going to happen.
jiggawatts 49 minutes ago
I had an eye opening discussion with an IT admin who stated with a straight face that their “patching strategy was not to patch”.

They have a patch strategy! They considered requirements when deciding the strategy! They have a documented strategy, it’s just very brief. (“Don’t.”)

The Trump admin may have similarly thought about this issue for a few seconds, shrugged their shoulders and decided that this might force manufacturers to go on-shore.

You and I know it won’t, certainly not in the immediate future, which means massive disruption to industry, but that’s not the same as “no plan”.

etchalon 1 hour ago
It's almost like war is a bad thing.
elzbardico 3 minutes ago
Thanks DJT, I am tired of winning, can we become losers again? /s
nDRDY 4 hours ago
Somewhat tangential question - for the "Just Stop Oil" folks - is it the extraction of oil that is the problem, or the burning of it? If the former, then we have an opportunity to investigate more renewable sources.
renewiltord 4 minutes ago
Well primarily the goal is to ensure that we don't build any homes for people or any clean energy. There's a reason a group of people funded by an oil heir are anti-nuclear.
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tencentshill 4 hours ago
The goal is to keep the oil in the ground, to not be burned or to be made into plastics.
MOSI2 16 minutes ago
It's not just plastics. Practically every substance we use and rely on to maintain civilisation as we know it has a petrochemical or fossil fuel base.

I understand the not burning fossil fuel thing, but why can't it be seen like another mineral resource?

dylan604 2 hours ago
Isn't the main source of helium from oil production? It's not like we have fusion reactors turning H into He.
ac29 2 hours ago
The main source of helium is natural gas production, not oil
dylan604 1 hour ago
Okay, but while technically correct, it does nothing to change the situation. They are punching holes in the ground to extract the sweet sweet nectar. They have to store what has been extracted. When that storage is full, what does one do? Stop the input into the storage.
killerstorm 2 hours ago
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emsign 6 hours ago
Iran will make AI go pop.
BigTTYGothGF 2 hours ago
We can only hope.
heyitsmedotjayb 6 hours ago
inshallah
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4ggr0 5 hours ago
let's see if it turns into mashallah :)
spiderfarmer 6 hours ago
Lindsay Graham has an easy solution to this unnecessary conflict: send your sons and daughters.

This whole administration is such a fiasco.

marcosdumay 42 minutes ago
I recommend anybody looking at the US land invasion proposal to do that with an altitude map of Iran on the side.
cpursley 22 minutes ago
In addition to history, Americans don't really "do" geography. Apparently it's harder than math.
hinkley 2 hours ago
Lindsey Graham is a lying sack of shit.

And I say that with his permission, since he’s on camera asking to be called out if he did exactly what they did with the Supreme Court not four years later.

pelotron 1 hour ago
Thank deities someone else remembers this.
wizzwizz4 48 minutes ago
I was not aware of this 'on camera' request. Does anyone have a citation?
hinkley 13 minutes ago
They showed it on The Daily Show at least once. Talking the rest of a committee out of entertaining a nomination under Obama. Which they ignored entirely in the same time frame for the next administration.
coreyh14444 7 hours ago
Remember all the e/acc people telling us to vote for Trump? Some mea-culpas are in order.
lpcvoid 7 hours ago
The kind of people who voted for trump would never admit they made a mistake. They double down on stupidity instead.
GeorgeWBasic 25 minutes ago
That isn't true. There's actually a large number of people, probably in the millions, but probably not a majority of those who voted for him, who no longer support him in any way. And of the ones who remain, yes: they're pretty dense to still support him now. There are some lunatics who genuinely believe that the US has the right to dominate and exploit all other nations, but the majority of them simply believe the lies he's telling. I've already seen that when they are confronted with the facts about, say, Gaza, some of them can change their minds. It would be a mistake to turn them away instead of treating them like potential allies. There really is something more important at stake.
tzs 13 minutes ago
/r/LeopardsAteMyFace contains many counterexamples.
rootusrootus 1 hour ago
For better or worse, Donald Trump has absolutely earned his place in the history books. There will be so many lessons from this era, though I think it is very much open to debate what form those lessons will take and which ones will be the most consequential.
Imustaskforhelp 1 hour ago
To be honest, much of the lessons of this were something that we could've already looked back during all the wars humanity has fought all throughout history to learn from.

We are in here, because we didn't learn from our history. You feel this way because this is recent and its hitting everything all at once but I do feel like these were all very avoidable lessons. Being honest, I don't feel like we learnt anything new aside from seeing how the world is still trying to clutch itself back to stability even after all the instability Donald Trump is causing within the world (for better or for worse) and seeing how the world reacts to all of this live.

But I am not quite sure if future will learn from these lessons given that its feeling to me like history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes and we somehow don't really learn from the history to be honest.

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marcosdumay 40 minutes ago
Hum... He seems to be doing the most accelerationist government from recent history of any large or rich country.
fhdkweig 7 hours ago
Could you define the acronym "e/acc"? DDG seems to think it means: "What Does E/Acc Stand For, And What Does It Mean? E/acc stands for the phrase effective accelerationism, and it basically indicates one's personal ideological belief that artificial intelligence will one day become an all-powerful being that can fix the vast majority of humanity's problems."

I don't think I have ever heard a MAGA talk about AI.

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overfeed 1 hour ago
> I don't think I have ever heard a MAGA talk about AI.

Lots of ex-Bitcoin-bros turned AI hypemen went all-in on maga for Trump II. Even the silicon valley C-Suites and VC-class went mask-off around February 2025. Some have tried to walk it back since then, after realizing the administration they had hitched their wagons to didn't have the mandate or levels of public support they had hoped for - thankfully, the internet never forgets.

spiderfarmer 6 hours ago
The MAGA Web3 bros have all switched to the Clawdbot hypetrain, still flogging courses and slop.
rootusrootus 1 hour ago
We live in the dumbest possible timeline. As someone who came of age in the late 80s and was lucky enough to fully experience the 90s and 2000s ... what we have done in the last 20 years makes me sad. I never saw this coming. I admit that I maintained my delusion even though I was in OKC in 1995. Should have been a wake-up call.
karmakurtisaani 3 hours ago
Even the nation's #1 dingleberry Joe Rogan is now turning against Trump. Would be a great time for folks to start admitting they fell for it again.
rootusrootus 1 hour ago
I will dare to admit aloud that I think maybe the founders were making a rational choice when they decided that only certain citizens would have the right to vote. As awful as that sounds, there are halfway decent arguments in favor. Maybe not just restricting to white wealthy landowners, but sometimes I do wonder if we would benefit from a filter that adequately screens for people 1) with real skin in the game and 2) a plausible claim to being well informed.

That is just a thought experiment, though, I do not believe it would play out beneficially if we tried to implement it in real life.

erxam 7 minutes ago
The problem is what to do with those people who can't vote. At worst, they'll rise up in arms and create an ever bigger mess.

If you're not into social and demographic engineering, then you're going to face a real problem.

My solution would be to get it over with and shoot everyone who disagrees with the system I'm trying to build. It sounds childish but it does actually genuinely work. It has been put in practice in so many places it's easy to lose count.

karmakurtisaani 1 hour ago
I like this idea in theory. In practice, the problem is that someone gets to decide who is allowed to vote and on what grounds. If that institution is corrupted, it leads to worse outcome than allowing everyone to vote. And the bad actors would have all the incentives in the world to corrupt that institution.
smackeyacky 29 minutes ago
The answer isn’t less voters, it’s more. Australia’s compulsory voting system has successfully taken the edge off extremist ideology.
erxam 13 minutes ago
Not quite sure this works out as nicely as that. Argentina has both compulsory voting and a legal voting age of 16 and it managed to produce Javier Milei (who makes Trump look like Kissinger).

What's the best way to have a sane system? I'm not sure. I personally lost all faith in democracy.

hn_acc1 17 minutes ago
People with those characteristics are often wealthy: can't have "real skin in the game" if you're just a pleb with a mortgage, 2 kids and 2 cars in a middle-class neighborhood, right? At which point, once again, those with $$ are more equal than others.

Sure, they might be better informed - which lets them figure out how best to corrupt the system.

Edit: in fact, I could see a strong reason to DISALLOW anyone in the top 1% to vote or spend any $$ towards the election.

overfeed 55 minutes ago
> Maybe not just restricting to white wealthy landowners,

Some of those people are not white and/or not straight. They - very incorrectly - think that wealth will shield them from the sharp teeth of White Christian Nationalism. They should consult with the Log Cabin Republicans and women who voted for both Trump and enshrining abortion into their state's constitution on the same ballot.

cyberax 46 minutes ago
Everybody should be allowed to vote, except for people who don't want everyone to vote.
esafak 14 minutes ago
Even people who openly aim to violently overthrow the government and abolish elections?
GeorgeWBasic 23 minutes ago
People are admitting that now. It's happening. There's some hope that something can be done about him.
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NickC25 4 hours ago
Bold of you to call young, underage children (including those as young as 6) escorts.

The correct way of putting it is so old rich suited men can engage in pedophilia.

karmakurtisaani 3 hours ago
Perhaps at this point it's more like not getting held accountable for engaging in pedophilia.
api 7 hours ago
That's one of the most disappointing things to me. These people have such resources and the limit of their vision is: bang young girls, accumulate bling, push divisive hateful politics, start wars.

That's it. That's the best they can do.

Even nominally selfish far-sighted things like genuinely funding a deep research program for life extension is not really something they're into. I mean some of them are "into" it in that they talk about it and occasionally toss money at things but they're not interested in funding or being involved in the kind of multi-year high-focus moonshot program it would actually take to deliver. The problem is that's hard and it takes a long time when banging girls and winning power games is instant dopamine.

It makes me keep thinking of paperclip maximizers. It's like we are paperclip maximizers, only our paperclips are sex and dopamine hits from winning power games. A paperclip maximizer with such resources would squander it all on paperclips, and we squander it all on these goal functions built in by evolution. Are we actually intelligent or just clever animals? We can seek what we want, but we don't think much about what we want to want.

coldpie 6 hours ago
I think about how we could've paid for two brand new, gigawatt-scale nuclear power plants for the same amount of money as Elon Musk flushed down the toilet to try to shut down a website he didn't like. Extreme wealth is a mental illness, and wealth caps are healthcare.
bombcar 6 hours ago
It's worse when you realize that Musk at least does something with his insane wealth, even if it's also insane.

Most either do nothing really of note, or donate it to "causes", which may be good, but kind of boring.

greesil 6 hours ago
I can appreciate boring nowadays.
actionfromafar 6 hours ago
Musk tried boring for a bit. Don't hear much about it nowadays.
renewiltord 6 hours ago
He’s not “doing something with his insane wealth”. He’s wealthy because he’s doing something. The moment he announces he’s stepping back and going to be boring he loses half his wealth or more.

God does not come down from the heavens and bestow money that one spends on what one chooses. People value his companies because he’s there. TSLA will instantly collapse in valuation if he exits.

Forgeties79 6 hours ago
At this point I wish he had shut it down. Instead he turned into a mouthpiece for the right and duped his followers into thinking he’s “liberated” the site and made it into some bastion of free speech.
actionfromafar 6 hours ago
You can't do that with two gigawatt-scale nuclear power plants!
renewiltord 6 hours ago
If you can guarantee two brand new gigawatt scale nuclear power plants for $44b then you can raise that money easily. The problem isn’t the access to money that prevents it. It’s that the the number of NRC approved reactors built since it came into existence is countable on your fingers.

I’m not even kidding. If you can pass the regulation, environmental, land permits, local opposition etc. you will be a hundred millionaire maybe a billionaire.

vablings 5 hours ago
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dang 2 hours ago
Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and don't cross into personal attack on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

vablings 36 minutes ago
I fail to see how British sarcasm qualifies as a personal attack. Specifically in reference to plain English that is the specification of the NRC as cited
renewiltord 4 hours ago
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dang 2 hours ago
Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and don't cross into personal attack on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

2OEH8eoCRo0 6 hours ago
I think we are somewhere in between. Most of us know what we should be doing but actually doing it is hard!

As an aside this might indicative of today's defective rich. Carnegie built over 2,500 libraries for example.

close04 6 hours ago
To put that in context, Wikipedia says about Carnegie:

> he gave away around $350 million (equivalent to $6.9 billion in 2025 dollars), almost 90 percent of his fortune, to charities, foundations and universities

Those famously "richest Americans" were worth single digit billions in today's money. Musk is reportedly worth $600-800 billions. Imagine what he could do with that money. The Gilded Age industrialists were already devils, but to say the quality of the ultra-rich today is in the gutter would be an offense to the gutter.

rootusrootus 1 hour ago
It seems like when someone does a historical analysis of the wealth of these past tycoons, they often don't do a simple inflation calculation, they relate the wealth to the GDP of the US at the time. By that measure, both Rockefeller and Carnegie were quite a lot more wealthy than single-digit billions, though maybe not quite the same level as Elon Musk.

What makes Musk's wealth really incredible is how much of it is based on hot air (TSLA).

lordgroff 6 hours ago
It's incredibly distressing, but I think the issue here lies with 'we'. Those at the very top are a very, shall we say, unique group. Those who seek power at such a level are not like the rest of us. There's established research showing that psychopathic and sociopathic traits are vastly more common among the "CEO class". It's not that wealth and power _makes_ them so, it's that relatively few are willing to be completely amoral or malicious in order to obtain as much power as possible. I believe that this effect is greatly magnified at the very top.

It's a tale as old as Plato: those most likely to WANT to rule are exactly the 'candidates' who absolutely should not.

api 1 hour ago
Are they unique? What would happen to an ordinary person if you gave them a billion dollars?

One of the things this does is gets you surrounded by supplicants and yes-men trying to tell you what you want to hear to get your money. It destroys social feedback. Nobody will tell you you're wrong. This is not good for mental health.

hrimfaxi 47 minutes ago
Imagine you suddenly had $100MM. You never have to work again and can do practically whatever you want. But most of us appreciate experiences with the company of others.

Who would you be able to spend time with? Most of your friends and family would still have to work. Of course, you could offer them to leave their jobs and give them money so they won't have to worry and they could spend time with you. But then it leads to the social feedback issue, so even those closest to you don't want to rock the boat.

dmix 6 hours ago
People will always keep looking to politicians to make the world better despite their terrible track record.
forgetfreeman 6 hours ago
If they aren't doing a good job primary the hell out of them.
dmix 5 hours ago
Where you get the exciting opportunity to choose between the next set of huckster lawyers and shallow ideologues.
hrimfaxi 5 hours ago
Ah yeah that worked for Bernie.
fhdkweig 6 hours ago
> These people have such resources and the limit of their vision is: bang young girls, accumulate bling, push divisive hateful politics, start wars.

I really don't like how Bill Gates and Microsoft made their money, but at least he has realized that in his twilight years to try to make amends via humanitarian work. Buying the stairway to heaven.

dv_dt 6 hours ago
Except that foundations are massive tax shelters - maybe he did some good along the way, but the also blocked IP release of covid vaccine technologies
fhdkweig 6 hours ago
Can you give me more information on that? DDG on Bill Gates and COVID just keeps finding stuff about Epstien (for some bizarre reason).
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mvdwoord 7 hours ago
Can not see them fuck it up more than my own government spending millions to pour concrete into our own excellent natural gas wells (while selling whatever did come out under market price to other countries), and our neighbors on the east celebrating while they blow up nuclear power plants. At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape. We are just slowly then swiftly committing suicide.
karmakurtisaani 3 hours ago
> At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape.

Does the improved geopolitical landscape consist of closed strait of Hormuz? Not sure what else they can geopolitically achieve compared to how things were a few weeks ago.

surgical_fire 7 hours ago
Are you complaining about the Groningen gas wells?

I thought that they were being decommissioned due to seismic risks?

sigio 7 hours ago
Yeah, but even the local (groningen) residents think it's a bad idea to not keep some resources available for emergency situations (they also would like to heat their houses in winter) like when other sources are cut off.
surgical_fire 7 hours ago
Is it even possible? My understanding is that the whole region is connected to those gas wells. There's so much you can take before the underground is hollow.

They may not have a house to heat if tremors get too bad.

notTooFarGone 6 hours ago
the mystical time when the wind on the see is not there and there is no sun? Maybe even the tides stop working?
mvdwoord 7 hours ago
haha yes, the grand seismic risks (economic risk in single digit percentages of the profits available) but not talking about not using them, they are actively and very costly going to fill them with concrete to ensure in the future (even in whatever extreme scenario) they cannot be used again. On top of the fact that we suckered ourselves into long term agreements which led to having to sell our own gas, far below market price to other countries. Full blown retardedness, and the moral high ground was theirs.

And our German neighbors, I can still see them laughing at the Orange Man Bad... Boo hoo... what a shitshow.

surgical_fire 7 hours ago
> haha yes, the grand seismic risks (economic risk in single digit percentages of the profits available)

If I lived in the region I wouldn't really care if the economic risk is single digit percentage. I would prefer my house to keep standing.

> they are actively and very costly going to fill them with concrete to ensure in the future (even in whatever extreme scenario) they cannot be used again.

I think you are arguing in bad faith. If you hollow the underground, filling it with something is a way to mitigate the seismic risk.

> And our German neighbors, I can still see them laughing at the Orange Man Bad.

Okay, I see now that talking to you is a waste of time.

Have a great afternoon.

yread 6 hours ago
Groningen gas field produced 40 billion m3 a year. 100m3 is 1MWh, currently sold for 50 eur. So the production would generate revenue of 20 billion eur a year. Tax it at 10%, get 2B eur. Buy/build houses for 400k a piece, 5.000 a year. There are cca 10.000 houses with minor or major damage. In 2 fucking years everyone gets a new second house for free and we get cheap gas.
bondarchuk 6 hours ago
Ah, sorry, this will not work, we are not capable of building new houses in any significant capacity. I don't know why but it's the reality.
surgical_fire 5 hours ago
Not if the ground can't stay still
littlestymaar 6 hours ago
You realize that people's houses are more than a number in a balance sheet?

Losing all your personal items and memories + living homeless for a few years while the reconstruction is in progress isn't minor inconvenience.

yread 6 hours ago
You realize cost of gas has direct consequences to 17M people's health as well? Our oma in her G-class building set her thermostat to 16 degrees in 2022. Because her heating bill shot to 1000+ eur/month. Only when the black mold started appearing did we manage to persuade her that 19 would be more appropriate. Of course that just traded it for money-related stress.

And I didn't say kick everyone on the street while the reconstruction is taking place. Everyone can stay where they are. Earthquakes are rare and so far in 50 years of extraction there have been no injuries. Groningen isn't the only place with earthquakes in the world you know?

littlestymaar 3 hours ago
> You realize cost of gas has direct consequences to 17M people's health as well? Our oma in her G-class building set her thermostat to 16 degrees in 2022

16°C in itself doesn't have health consequences whatsoever.

> Only when the black mold started appearing did we manage to persuade her that 19 would be more appropriate.

And you made the wrong diagnostic: mold is a moisture problem, not a heating problem per se. Sure heating improve air moisture but it's a very inefficient way to do so. You're complaining about the cost of a problem when you're using the most inefficient possible method to address it.

And again, if world market gas price rise, the consumer cost of gas rise as well, no matter if you have gas production in the country or not.

walletdrainer 6 hours ago
Bullshit they are, houses are entirely replaceable and in fact many people do so every couple of years.

Some jurisdictions even have “tenants rights” laws that literally force landlords to terminate all contracts whenever a tenant is about to have lived in a location for too long.

mvdwoord 7 hours ago
Love you too!

(to clarify, the concrete has nothing to do with the seismic risks, and is solely intended to make it impossible to extract gas later, which some people see as a valid way to lower potential seismic impact in the future due to no extraction... as if it is the only way to deal with seismic risks... and the whole point of the profits being ample to mitigate any economic loss is that people's houses can be either made resistant, or, you know, we could buy affected people a brand spanking new house)

Good luck with the rest.

forgetfreeman 6 hours ago
The US appears to be ideologically committed shitting on their trade partners and ending the dollar's run as a reserve currency and you see this leading to improving it's geopolitical standing? Through what mechanism?
ceejayoz 6 hours ago
> At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape.

This seems, uh, awfully optimistic.

pohl 7 hours ago
For the US, thus far, we keep discovering that we have yet to hit bottom — so probably more.
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hypeatei 1 hour ago
This is a bot/shill account
jiggawatts 1 hour ago
Are AIs actually participating in public discourse to… protect themselves!?

Isn’t this the future sci-fi nerds were predicting? It’s just that instead of “unplugging SkyNet” we have “supply chain disruption”?

Maybe instead of triggering WWIII the AIs will force a peaceful resolution to major conflicts that disrupt the supply of their substrate.

The accelerators must flow.

ReptileMan 7 hours ago
Do you remember this quote from wheel of time?

"Let the lord of chaos rule" ...

breppp 7 hours ago
Qatar is probably intentionally shutting down production of gas and oil in order to pressure the US to stop, independently of Iranian attacks.

In that respect they may be bombed by Iran but they have the same interests

fabian2k 7 hours ago
Where are they supposed to put all that gas and oil if they can't transport it? I don't think they have much choice here.

And as far as I understand, helium is a byproduct of the extraction, so they can't choose to keep only the helium.

breppp 6 hours ago
However Qatar stopped production before the straits were officially closed and their stated reason is "due to military attacks", also Russian or Chinese ships can pass
fabian2k 6 hours ago
There is no such thing as "officially closed". The moment people start shooting there, driving a ship across becomes dangerous. This was an absolutely predictable consequence of the attacks on Iran, you didn't need to wait until several tankers were burning to know these attacks were likely to happen and the strait would become essentially too risky to pass.
breppp 6 hours ago
Back then there were only two ships attacked in the straits, and one was an Iranian shadow fleet ship. I am not sure that is "closing the straits" in any shape or form
nottorp 6 hours ago
So if there's an active shooter on the one alley to your workplace you should still be at work in time, right? :)

Or let's make the analogy clearer: if your Uber driver cancels the ride because there's an active shooter on the only road between him and you, it's their fault not the shooter's?

breppp 5 hours ago
no, but if two ships were hit, while one clearly by mistake, it is very early to say the straits are going to be closed as opposed to incorrect targeting

your analogies have went past me though, generally although a common misconception, countries are not people and wars are not comparable to crime

BigTTYGothGF 2 hours ago
Oh, well, if it was by mistake...
ceejayoz 6 hours ago
That's precisely how you close the straits; by making everyone scared to go through.
MengerSponge 53 minutes ago
You don't even have to scare everyone. You just have to scare the insurers. Without insurance ships won't sail. The exposure is huge, so a small blip in risk makes all the modeling go kerplooie. Traffic stopped when the insurers said drop the anchors.

To restore traffic, we need that risk to return to previous levels, which requires diplomacy and trust. I don't expect resolution any time soon.

GeorgeWBasic 22 minutes ago
Impeachment, and then we could get there. It's not impossible.
Macha 6 hours ago
As the houthis have long demonstrated, you can screw up shipping from the coast
tekla 2 hours ago
I'm guessing you watched the Hegseth interview?

--- Hegseth: “The only thing prohibiting transit in [Hormuz] right now is Iran shooting at shipping.”

“It is open for transit should Iran not do that” ---

Oh really? I thought it was because Mercury was in retrograde.

I guess if even Mr. Hegseth is admitting that transit is effectively prohibited in the Strait, he must actually be lying and part of the deep state.

dylan604 2 hours ago
Are Russian or Chinese ships actually passing? Junior just released a decree saying not one liter of oil will pass. It didn't have an asterisk allowing Russian or Chinese ships.

I also find it funny that we just decided to allow Russia to pad its coffers by temporarily lifting sanctions on sale of Russian oil. Sorry Ukraine!

int0x29 2 hours ago
The strait is now mined at least partially. Country of origin doesn't matter when there are mines in the water.
overfeed 46 minutes ago
We really are overdue for mines with IFF and can inert themselves temporarily for blue ships.
hinkley 2 hours ago
This is going to be an environmental disaster.
overfeed 45 minutes ago
Only if there's no diplomatic resolution - however unlikely.
noelsusman 6 hours ago
Shutting down production doesn't pressure the US at all since the oil and gas can't go anywhere anyway. They're shutting it down because they have to, there's nowhere to put the oil.
FpUser 1 hour ago
Even if this nonsense was true it is absolutely normal tactic used by the US when bombing is out of question. Use economic pressure by way of tariffs and sanctions until vassals are put in their place. So what's your problem